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SO.... what did you think? I think it was a pretty darned good book -- in fact, an excellent read -- but I'm not sure it meets Jodi's criteria for a
Who Dun It? and that's the criteria I most respect -- the one that seems to most fit the Who Dun It? category. But....
Karen
I would be most content if my children grew up to be the kind of people who think decorating consists mostly of building enough bookshelves. - Anna Quindlen
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I'm irritated as hell at the narrator, Adam/Rob, for having turned into such a typical MAN, but I'm also *very* disappointed not to find out what
happened to Peter and Jamie.
Karen
I would be most content if my children grew up to be the kind of people who think decorating consists mostly of building enough bookshelves. - Anna Quindlen |
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Now this is a book I read back in June. Back when ? first mentioned it. Was it Barb? Chris? not sure. Anyway so I read it and what drove me most nuts about it
is the offhand "I don't do hypnosis thing as it's too 'new age'." Now is the author had the guy say he'd tried it but it
didn't work, then that would have been all right with me. But to just have him dismiss a potential resolution for that whole traumatic/horrifying event
bugged me tons. So why make this book about a current event and a past one if you're not going to reveal the past? Can you see this coming up in another
volume? I can and I don't think I"ll read it.
Greatness in this life does not come to people through accident or by the caprice of fate or fortune; it is the reward of great zeal accompanied by great faith in the object sought and the persistent fighting against great obstacles. --from eulogy for Harriet Tubman |
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(Having that weird feeling when someone else remembers something you said and you can't recall it at all). What are my criteria? That the detective figures
out who the criminal is, rather than the perpetrator announcing him/her self? And that we get sufficient clues to figure it out ourselves (if we're smart)?
If so, this book sorta kinda does that... but we are left hanging. Why have the second mystery if you're not going to give an explanation? And what's
with the vague mumbo-jumbo supernatural hints of something with golden eyes and long lashes? There is another book out that continues with Cassie (not sure if
Rob/Adam appears or not). I did enjoy it, and ran to it gratefully after giving up on Secret History, but I have quibbles.
"You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to suit me" - CS Lewis
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Karen, you said at chat you found it a satisfying ending and in terms of Katy's murder it was. I had quibbles about the earlier mystery and how it was
dealt with and I got awfully tired of Rob as ther story progressed.
Barb
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I found that I really enjoyed the begining. What I didn't like was the end. One murder tied up way too neatly. The other not at all. Of course I think Rob
did it. I think his kissing Jamie put him over the top, he freaked and blocked it all. That also explains why whenever he "goes all the way" with a
woman he completely changes toward her. Look how mean spirited he was toward Heather. I didn't pick up on it until she comented that "Cassie
didn't deserve it and neither did I." Would he qualify as a phycopath? Seemed normal but was far from it. He and Rosalind had a lot in common after
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I think we have synchronicity of feelings and irritation here. No FAIR not telling what happened in the past mystery. I had hope right up to the last page and
the finding of the leaf-shaped artifact. Dang.
I'm with Deb; I think Rob somehow killed his friends accidentally or on purpose in reaction to the surge of feelings that came with kissing Jamie. He described how much bigger he had suddenly gotten, and anyone who has lived with a boy of that age knows they go through a stage where they cannot walk across a room without breaking something because they have no sense of their new size and strength and how much space they now require. So I suspect that either exuberance or hormones perhaps perceived jealousy of Peter kicked in at that moment. And I was so annoyed with Rob at his treatment of Cassie, especially when she was willing to let it go and get back to their friendship. I think you're right about his inability to have an intimate relationship and noted Heather's line too but I don't think he's a psychopath devoid of conscience etc as defined by Cassie. He's really screwed up by what happened I think and his inner world cracks and shifts after a sexual encounter. Jodi said: There is another book out that continues with Cassie (not sure if Rob/Adam appears or not). I did enjoy it, and ran to it gratefully after giving up on Secret History, but I have quibbles Does that reveal what happened in the woods? I was way ticked off when it seemed they were going to blame the whole thing on Damien--mucho relieved when it turned out to be Rosalind after all--then ticked again when she essentially got away with it. The author seems to have a really bleak essence, killing off everyone's spirit the way she did. The book could have been cut in half too--way too long for the subject matter when essentially nothing happened to further the story for great gobs of pages. It was certainly ranks above the average writing for this kind of book, but in the end, I'm not sure that counts for much when you're reading it for the mystery and want to keep moving along. The middle chunk felt like we were back in the woods with Harry and Hermione--wandering searching boring. Why do you think it was so well received by the critics?
Reading: In the Woods by Tara French; My Father's Paradise
Finished: Sleepyhead by Mark Billingham, The Dying Hour by Rick Mafino; A Matter of Justice by Charles Todd |
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I felt cheated and disappointed and at the end I truly wondered why I'd bothered to read it - so many diversions and false leads that went absolutely nowhere especially in linking it back to the Knocknaree incident (which I felt was way more interesting than Katy's murder). I started off liking Rob, but as the story went on I became bored with him. At one stage I seriously thought Rob may have been involved in the disappearance of Peter and Jaimee. But at the end, the Knocknaree incident was no more than a trip down memory lane for Rob, but to have Katy's murder placed within the context of the Knocknaree incident didn't work at all in the end, because there was no direct link, other than Rob being present at both, one with his friends, and then as a detective.
Also the ending was wrapped up too hastily, considering the long slow pace throughout. At that point when the garden shed became the object of attention, I still didn't have a firm suspect in mind, other than it
couldn't be Damien, he was just so dumb. I felt katy's murder had something to do with the family - but it all
seemed so weak at the end and left me wondering how two competent detectives took so long to figure out that Rosalind was the culprit.
Life is short, eat dessert first.
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This is really interesting that we are reacting to the same things. Now that I don't have to worry about spoilers, I think I'll check out some of the
reviews and I think I saw a place where French discussed her approach to this book (but was afraid to read before). Hmmm I think it was French.
From the little I've read over at LT today, the positives were based on the complexity of the characters, the writing, and the emotional depth, or some such. Wasn't it interesting how we changed our feelings toward Rob as more was revealed? Man was I pissed when he treated Cassie so badly.
Reading: In the Woods by Tara French; My Father's Paradise
Finished: Sleepyhead by Mark Billingham, The Dying Hour by Rick Mafino; A Matter of Justice by Charles Todd |
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Found the interview and reader's guide
http://us.penguingroup.co...ides/us/in_the_woods.html And at the end there's this: Q. We don't want to give anything away, but the ending of In the Woods leaves a pretty humongous loose end still dangling. Is there any chance of a sequel that will tell us whether Rob Ryan solves the great remaining mystery of the story? A. I'm currently working on a second book, which is linked to In the Woods without being exactly a sequel. The new book is told from Cassie Maddox's point of view, and it takes places six months after the events of In the Woods. I haven't finished it yet, so I'm still not sure how it's going to end. All I can say is that I'm not done with Rob Ryan. jodi, did you say you read this new one or was it another?
Reading: In the Woods by Tara French; My Father's Paradise
Finished: Sleepyhead by Mark Billingham, The Dying Hour by Rick Mafino; A Matter of Justice by Charles Todd |
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No, haven't read any of her other books, just commenting that there was another one down the road. The more I read everyone's comments, the more
annoyed I am at French! I don't want to read the next book! So there, nyah.
"You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to suit me" - CS Lewis
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And I don't think its fair to have to read the next book to get the answer to what was msising in the previous book...lol
Life is short, eat dessert first.
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From what I read in an interview about her next book, The Likeness, she doesn't solve Rob's mystery there either.
I don't mind too horribly when a series allows a relationship or career question to continue, like in Three Pines with Gamache's career problems, or the development of the characters in E George or R Hill, but not to resolve the Secondary Plot line????? Hello--not cute. But she blows it off as the kind of story she (French) would enjoy, so that makes it ok?
Reading: In the Woods by Tara French; My Father's Paradise
Finished: Sleepyhead by Mark Billingham, The Dying Hour by Rick Mafino; A Matter of Justice by Charles Todd |
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O.K., like the rest of you I was seriously irritated at the way Rob behaved toward Cassie at the end, at how he so typically emulated some of the worst
characteristics of males in general, but I didn't stop to analyze this vis a vis his relationship with Jamie -- not even much the relationship with
Heather, though I did wonder about that a bit. But, I think I read it too fast to be reflective about it. That's one of the things that popped into my head
at chat the other night -- the only Who Dun It? I've ever figured out is one that I drew out over several days and, one morning, the culprit just popped
into my head while I was brushing my teeth or something.
I was also seriously annoyed that we had NO resolution on the earlier Peter and Jamie mystery. Did I say that before? But I *loved* the psycho sick way that Rosalind turned out to be behind Katy's murder. I thought that was great and not something I picked up on -- even though there was a serious bit of foreshadowing about that, I didn't figure it out. I thought the book was well written, the characters well drawn and, overall, I enjoyed the read. I've been gobbling mysteries like crazy for the last six weeks or so, however, so maybe it's just my mood. I got the author's second book, The Likeness (I think), from the library about the time I started reading this and made the mistake of reading the first paragraph on the dust jacket; it says something about six months after the events of In the Woods Cassie Maddox is still trying to recover and is developing a relationship with Sam O'Neil (was that his name?) so I knew Cassie came out alive and it doesn't sound like Adam/Rob is in the second book. But, I stopped reading after the first paragraph and haven't picked it up yet so I don't really know. Sounds like I enjoyed this one more than others. Maybe, sometimes, reading too fast is not such a bad thing -- I didn't have time to get as irritated by the lack.
Karen
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Darn, I keep forgetting that I can't read my post until Jill opens it. I seriously wish I'd re-read it before I hit Rely. *sigh*
Karen
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Karen, imagine if we had to run Book Bunch this way? (Moderated) Yipes
The best thing is probably to use PREVIEW, that should work here. Then don't forget to post after you reread. I too liked the way Rosalind turned out to be such a sicko and even though I guessed (pure guess) early that it might be Rosalind, I thought it was for other motives. Jealousy yes, but so far out, no. And it hadn't occurred to me that she had someone else do it for her, let alone someone at the dig. I wondered whether Jessica might be involved, either as Rosalind's instrument or that Rosalind was covering up for Jessica. At first, I liked the descriptions of the woods, until they got endless and unrevealing. When I was about 9-12 we had a similar situation in Queens (NY). There was a huge huge old estate across the road from my apartment building and we had to clamber over a stone wall to get inside. I think all that was left beyond the wood was the huge estate house with (legend had it) one doddering old lady (think Bette Davis in her scary roles) and a few ramshackle out buildings. All that was left of the graceful old ways in an area that was leaping forward with supermarkets only two blocks away. We used to climb and play in a twisty old tree we knew as the Monkey Puzzle Tree. There but for the grace of you know who...imagine letting a bunch of little kids loose in an out-of-sight woods now? Sigh.
Reading: In the Woods by Tara French; My Father's Paradise
Finished: Sleepyhead by Mark Billingham, The Dying Hour by Rick Mafino; A Matter of Justice by Charles Todd |
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