WHO DUN IT? WHY? HOW?Follow the DIRECTIONS to join in ![]() For THE BRUTAL TELLING Break Your Guesses in this way: Part I chapters 1-10 Chaps 11-18, Chaps 19-26, Chaps 27-35, Chap 36-end. |
SATURDAY Oct 17th WHO DUN IT: The Brutal Telling, Louise Penny |
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BCCJillster |
Part 2 Chap 10-17 RULE AGAINST MURDER |
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Nice clean page for ya Olle
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Olle |
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More thoughts:
Why didn't Beauvoir ask about what Julia said the night before the murder during his interviews? Gamache told him what had been said, sounded like a precipatating event to me. But that happens a lot, seems like they walk away without asking the right questions so I guess that means they're not important to the story. ? Why didn't Gamache ask who designed the statue? Did someone provide a picture for it? No reason behind staying with my previous guess, I don't think we've been given enough information yet to know much of anything. So I'll stick with Thomas for lack of a better guess. Until I change my mind. Do the cops not talk to each other? Earlier it said Beauvoir went over his notes with Gamache, yet he didn't mention Bean? (Later he tells him that no one knows Bean's gender.) Can't see why B. would have left that out. Enjoying the summer weather! Wonder who the chef really is? Let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself - nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance, in every dark hour of our national life a leadership of frankness and vigor has met with that understanding and support of the people themselves which is essential to victory. --Franklin Roosevelt |
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murraymint11 |
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Don't seem to be many more clues in this section.
Definitely something funny about Elliott. Is he a plant? lol. Now we know that the 'Chef' has a thing for the Maitre D, might she have murdered Julia out of jealousy? We were told that the Maitre D was making up to Julia - falling under her spell? But the most puzzling aspect is how was the stone pushed off the pedestal? I just can't figure that out. |
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pioneerbee |
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I think it is either Bean or Bert Finney. Bean because (s)he's a little screwy but I don't think Bean does it maliciously. Bert because he wants to
save someone from the pain of knowing something- like his wife.
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pioneerbee |
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Hm, perhaps it was Mrs. White in the kitchen with the.....actually I am thinking that maybe it is Veronique in her jealousy over Pierre's unrequited love
and his attraction to Julia.
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xmaystarx |
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What is with that child, Bean? How could not one person besides the mother know what the sex is? Since I have no clue who did it I'll still stick with my
original thought of the mother. What an odd family and to think Peter belongs to them! Peter has always been my least favorite of the Three Pines residents,
but I don't think he would commit murder. Wasn't he questionable in one of the other books, the one with his friend in the old house?
Courtney
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Blanchard |
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Okay, here goes nothing; such a point was made about the chef's physical size and apparent strength that I think that must come into play at some point.
She couldn't possibly have pushed the statue over onto Julia unless that mysterious substance that it was sculpted from was a lot lighter in weight that it
seemed to be! I think that Julia and the Maitre d' were meeting (for conversation only?) after dark in the garden, hence the notes printed with the
"thank you, it helped" comments on them and the chef became furious with jealousy after all those years of unrequited adoration and did in Julia.
How? I don't have a clue but that's my current guess.
What's the deal with Bean? Boy or girl? Who's the father? Marianna is described as being so physically unattractive to the point of ugliness that unless she was impregnated in a lab, I am not sure who would have taken her as a lover since her personality sure didn't compensate for her appearance!! Lovely group those Morrows! (NOT!) And Bean's clocks! Seven a.m. was the time he/she didn't want to miss! Why? I have more questions than answers here!
Betsy
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BCCJillster |
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Ok before I read your guesses, are we supposed to know enough to make an intelligent guess by now? Oy.
Could the chef be Pierre's mom, and that's why she has so much affection for him? It doesn't seem like a romantic attachment. I want it to be Thomas or even Peter, out of dislike. Clara deserves more imho. The whole setup seems to be about the cruelty of childhood taunting staying alive years later. From the Honore story thru Bean to the whole taunting about nicknames and veiled references to events from childhood. I got the impression that the toilet tease and up against the wall had to do with a sexual encounter Julia might have been caught in. But all of that led me to think that Thomas might be the victim. Maybe Julia really was the cruelest of them? Yet it's Bean's mom that keeps fantasizing about killing people. What was the whole bit about what the statue is made of and the bird carved into the shoulder? And where is the sculptor? (prob nothing to do with the mystery, I just wonder) Someone would have had to know Julia was going to be out there at a specific time. Elliot seems the most likely to have sent the notes and they are from the same general area (B.C.). Some connection there? I'm going to be disappointed if it's not someone in the Morrow family who did the deed, simply cause I don't like any of them. As a side question, why is Louise being so mean about Ruth? I like Ruth LOL. She's brilliant and blunt and funny.
Reading: A Rule for Murder YAY
Finished: Guernica by Dave Boling In the Woods by Tara French |
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BCCJillster |
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Ok before I read your guesses, are we supposed to know enough to make an intelligent guess by now? Oy.
Could the chef be Pierre's mom, and that's why she has so much affection for him? It doesn't seem like a romantic attachment. I want it to be Thomas or even Peter, out of dislike. Clara deserves more imho. The whole setup seems to be about the cruelty of childhood taunting staying alive years later. From the Honore story thru Bean to the whole taunting about nicknames and veiled references to events from childhood. I got the impression that the toilet tease and up against the wall had to do with a sexual encounter Julia might have been caught in. But all of that led me to think that Thomas might be the victim. Maybe Julia really was the cruelest of them? Yet it's Bean's mom that keeps fantasizing about killing people. What was the whole bit about what the statue is made of and the bird carved into the shoulder? And where is the sculptor? (prob nothing to do with the mystery, I just wonder) Someone would have had to know Julia was going to be out there at a specific time. Elliot seems the most likely to have sent the notes and they are from the same general area (B.C.). Some connection there? I'm going to be disappointed if it's not someone in the Morrow family who did the deed, simply cause I don't like any of them. As a side question, why is Louise being so mean about Ruth? I like Ruth LOL. She's brilliant and blunt and funny.
Reading: A Rule for Murder YAY
Finished: Guernica by Dave Boling In the Woods by Tara French |
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BCCJillster |
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Something Kathy said in the earlier thread made me expand my thinking and now I'm so sure I have the answer, I'll put it in spoilers. I'll just say
here, the key is in the timing.
Reading: A Rule for Murder YAY
Finished: Guernica by Dave Boling In the Woods by Tara French |
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Blanchard |
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OK, I know who now but I'm still closing in on other details. Curt woke up at 1:15 am and looked at me still reading and muttered "how do you do
it?" I was only about four pgs from the very end so I hung it up then, knowing that I would be in trouble this a.m. with everything I needed to do! And
now I'm still looking for some more answers and can't wait to polish it off! Do we have a thread for comments after finishing?
Betsy
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someonegetchristine |
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This section hasn't given me anything solid to move forward on - I am still none the wiser. The investigation itself is dragging and the team have no solid leads on the go. I thought there would be at least a couple of people in the spotlight by now. There are plenty of red herrings that seem to fizzle out and go nowhere, perhaps they'll be significant later on: the fact that the statue is not what it seems and that it has come from a graveyard and that there is an engraved bird on the shoulder - this must all point to Charles Morrows the man - but nothing conclusive to work with. What was going on between him and Julia? What does she know about her father that the others don't know? The mystery around bean and his mother: the fact that Marianne has not told anybody the gender of her child and the fact that Bean has many clocks all ready to go off at 7 am. The only hunch at this point is that it must be a family member that killed Julia. And Gamache's preoccupation with Veronique - he believes he has seen her somewhere before ?
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BCCJillster |
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Chris, wasn't it Beauvoir who was preoccupied with Veronique? And he wasn't the only one who spoke of getting a warm comfortable feeling in her
presence I think.
Reading: A Rule for Murder YAY
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someonegetchristine |
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Yes, Beauvoir talked about how her name (Veronique) calmed him, but also Gamache, who after acknowledging he had met her for the first time, said that he had a
feeling he knew her. (p132. my pb)
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BCCJillster |
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Thanks...for some reason Beauvoir was acting so strangely that it was his reaction that stuck with me.
Reading: A Rule for Murder YAY
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someonegetchristine |
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I thought that whole discussion was rather weird, how the two of them talked about feelings, emotions and the smells in the kitchen and how it all linked to
Veronique. Associations, I guess....it reminded me of Peter Hoeg's The Quiet Girl (which I couldn't finish) whose main character defined and
remembered each person he met in terms of there musical aura lol, what musical scale they were on!
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dlee10 |
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David Martin's crime was forshadowing of Bernie Madoff. Life imitates art so to speak. Ms. Penney's explaination of how the scheme worked was way
better than anything I read in the papers.
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Since I'm late to post, I did read the other guesses but my opinion after I was thinking about the section that it could have been the chef - wonder if the
detectives will remember why she seems so familiar. I also think Thomas might have been involved due to family secret. Clues this far have me still
wondering about who could have done it.
Rema |
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debbieinca |
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I am behind you guys also and I think it is the chef as well.
Debbieinca |
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BCCTril |
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yes, the chef. I like her for it, but I am not all that sure. I am not the best guesser when reading mysteries.
Which restroom does Bean go into when they are in public? Maybe they only go where there are unisex rooms. I am so enjoying this story, but I do miss being in Three Pines with all the regulars. Maybe in the last section we will go there. Things that confuse me- what is the statue made of why is Bean's sex a secret - there must be more to that story the secret about the father why is morrow slumped over in the statue. Mary |
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wernoclue |
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Well, she's making a good case for Veronique, the chef, but I'll bet it doesn't turn out to be her.
Doubt it will be Bean because of the resolution of one of the prior books -- but, really, what is up with Marianna refusing to divulge the child's gender? Where on earth did Louise come up with that idea? (Must be sure to ask her that question.) Clearly I was dead wrong about her being referred to as female! Wonder if the statue turns out to be Charles Morrow at all? And, no matter who it is, what the heck is it made of? I'm still rooting for Elliott to be the bad guy although I have zero idea what his motive could be! LOL I'm torn about this book in a way. I was always concerned about there being too many murders in the village of Three Pines -- how could such a charming place have such a high murder rate, ya know? But now that we aren't there much, I MISS it!
Karen
I would be most content if my children grew up to be the kind of people who think decorating consists mostly of building enough bookshelves. - Anna Quindlen |
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