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WHO DUN IT? WHY? HOW?Follow the DIRECTIONS to join in  For THE BRUTAL TELLING Break Your Guesses in this way: Part I chapters 1-10 Chaps 11-18, Chaps 19-26, Chaps 27-35, Chap 36-end. |
SATURDAY Oct 17th WHO DUN IT: The Brutal Telling, Louise Penny |
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Part 3 Chap 18- END-- RULE AGAINST MURDER
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02/09/09 06:28 PM BCC ZEN BOOKIE COOKIE
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Olle |
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02/10/09 12:38 PM |
Well, I guessed who did it but without having a clue as to why. I thought it was him because of no scratch marks on the marble, thought he'd cleaned them
off because he couldn't bear to see it unpolished.
Do you buy that the parents loved their kids? I'm still having a hard time grasping that and wish someone would convince me. Bert said so and I'd like to believe him but why did none of the kids ever feel it? or live as if they did? And that mother! Geepers lady, get over yourself and tell your remaining adult children about your illness. Bert should just do it. What's the statement? Don't ask permission, apologize after the fact. It was interesting seeing the physical detioration of Peter while the opposite happened to Clara. If Mr/Mrs Gamache return to the lake next year I hope they make sure the Finney's won't be there at the same time. Let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself - nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance, in every dark hour of our national life a leadership of frankness and vigor has met with that understanding and support of the people themselves which is essential to victory. --Franklin Roosevelt |
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02/12/09 01:58 PM BCC Bookaholic |
OK, so I didn't see that one coming! I was so sure it was Veronique..... but I am proud to have spotted the significance of the missing sugar - even if I
didn't guess how it was used. Trouble is, I love the reading of these books so much, I read it like a steam train, not wanting to stop until I've got
to the destination!
Jane, UK
Currently Reading: In The Woods by Tana French Recently Read: A Guide To Birds of East Africa by Nicholas Drayson, Water For Elephants by Sara Gruen The Whistling Season by Ivan Doig |
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pioneerbee |
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02/13/09 09:04 PM |
Well, I did not guess that would be the murderer. Very creative way of getting the statue to fall over, though.
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02/15/09 12:00 AM BCC BookieMonster |
I'm not done yet but wanted to stop in and say...Jill you caught on about the lack of sugar at the manoir and wondered what that was about and at the time
I didn't think it was of any importance but recently read the gardener say something like finally the ants are all gone. So was that sugar placed near the
statue and attracting all the ants, and why?
Courtney
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02/15/09 01:35 PM BCC Zen Bookie Master
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Duh. I didn't see this thread. Like MacArthur, I will return!!
Betsy
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02/15/09 06:01 PM BCC Member |
Well I feel like a 75% fool. I guessed how all right, but geeesh. I never would have guessed the motive. That was kind of from left field wasn't it? And I
really hadn't considered Pierre in a good while after getting into the details. I was so sure it was Veronique going after Colleen. Dang. I guess if Peter
didn't kill anyone this time, he never will. At the end, wasn't Finney saying Marianna was his child? Explains the ugly LOL. I liked that twist. And
I'm kind of glad Bean remained unexplained; that seemed fitting and respectful. So getting the bird on the statue was Finney's doing?
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Olle |
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02/16/09 01:39 AM |
don't think (and we couldn't have know this beforehand) that this is a typical who dun it for this location because we can't know who did it based
on the information we're given. Gamache learns it through unshared telepone calls (at least that's what I remember). However, any time spent with
Gamache and his wife is time worth spent.
That whole Bean thing was odd. And the other names the mother was thinking of changing the name to? I don't care how much $ she's earned through designing houses, she's twisted. The entire lot of them are and I'm sorry that Clara is stuck with one of them. |
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Blanchard |
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02/16/09 08:17 PM BCC Zen Bookie Master
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You know, I was hoping for either Peter or Thomas to be the killer. Peter has come close twice now by my count and I figure that he's overdue for Louise to
tag him in one of these books!! I also had a fleeting thought about sugar as a "vehicle" for the statue but decided that I was really stretching to
think of that as being little "ball bearings" for it and gave it no further thought! Phooey. I came close to being smart but missed the boat like
Clara did! (when she and Finney missed the boat with the family in it?). I'm looking forward to the chat.
Betsy
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dlee10 |
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02/17/09 10:58 AM BCC BookieMonster |
This was my least favorite of the 3 Pines books. (That is not to say I didn't still enjoy it) Pierre did not seem to be a murderer. He went to the manoir
to leave his anger behind. Nuts that he would murder the wife (who did nothing wrong) just because Mr. Martin was in jail. Didn't ring true based on the
personality Ms. Penney introduced him with. I would like to have known why Veronique left the order and her show? I wonder if Bean realized that no one knew if
he/she was a boy or a girl? What a horrible thing to do to a child. We were told that the parents loved their children but all examples showed control not
love. The kids certainly didn't feel it. How did Mrs. Finney endure sex (even an implied affair) when she couldn't even stand the pain of taking off
her make-up. She managed to endure the pain of putting it on but couldn't allow a touch from her own child. That does not spell love to me. The Eleanor
rose jibe seems to be just that, a jibe based on nothing. Peter once again proved what an awful person he is. His jealousy and lack of support whenever Clara
suceeds is nauseating. Once again we are told how much he adores her but I don't see it. I think Clara is a bit delusional! I wasn't surprised it was
Peter who wrote on the bathroom door. Julia was lucky it happened. At least it gave her the impetus to get out of that environment. I'm glad this book
wasn't set in 3 Pines because how could such a comfortable little place handle yet another murder! Also, did I miss something regarding the scandal with
the Surete'? Was that resolved in the last book or is it still waiting? Wasn't Agent LaCoste a possible plant put in Gamache's midst to bring him
down? Did anyone miss Agent Nichols?
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02/19/09 10:48 AM |
I wondered about the issue Gamache was facing at work as well. Not a peep regarding any of it.
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02/19/09 11:27 AM BCC ZEN BOOKIE COOKIE
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LOL I know Olle, and here I was worrying that people new to the series wouldn't know what was going on without that background. Silly me.
I can't recall how the last book ended re the work stuff and his team members. Lots of hints, but did we find out who was doing what to whom?
Reading: A Rule for Murder YAY
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Blanchard |
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02/19/09 08:06 PM BCC Zen Bookie Master
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Wasn't Beauvoir (sp?) part of that conspiracy against Gamache in the last book? Who was it? I can't remember! I do remember Nichols though and
don't really miss that character. There was a large "cast" in this book and another wasn't really called for imo.
When the family feuders were introduced, the one ugly member, Marianna sounded just too much like Finney not to have been his dd, don't you think? That's one for Louise to answer! There were so danged many loose threads in this book left dangling at the end that I found some of it not entirely satisfying: ie, Bean for instance! I can tell that she deliberately didn't tell us that child's sex to let us make up our own minds but I wish she hadn't and I also agree with Deb that the business of Mrs Finney's sensitivity to touch doesn't explain much although it did explain about why she was so "untouchable". The motivation was unconvincing as was Marianna's naming of Bean. Just didn't work for me. What did work? Well, the sugar as "skid" agent is interesting and if Jill will forgive my heresy. it was a JDCarr touch, through and through. Not a locked room but the sort of vehicle for murder that he would have dreamed up!
Betsy
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02/19/09 08:51 PM BCC ZEN BOOKIE COOKIE
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Why is that heresy? I said so myself when I guessed it was the sugar in the 1st or 2nd thread. Carr specialized in extremely original methods of doing away
with folks, locked in or not LOL. One that everyone now knows is the way to open a door by using the fishing line or string and the newspaper under the
door--of course you need an old-fashioned doorknob with a big fat key. Good luck on that.
I loved that part of it, but agree that it wasn't the most satisfying of her stories. I'd rather be with Ruth and Myrna back in Three Pines. Was anyone else bothered by the references to Ruth as nasty or whatever? Veronique seemed like a fit inhabitant of Three Pines too, didn't she? Maybe she can guest cook at Gabri's?
Reading: A Rule for Murder YAY
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02/19/09 08:57 PM BCC BookieMonster |
The thing about Bean is at that age, wasn't he/she 9 or something? Either way, old enough to read, wouldnt he know what he was and spill it at some point
to someone? Why doesn't any of the family just ask the kid? And wouldn't you be able to sort of tell based on looks, even ambiguous sexed beings have
hints of their gender, especially when they aren't trying to alter or change it.
Courtney
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02/20/09 07:47 AM BCC ZEN BOOKIE COOKIE
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In order for the Bean thing to work (ie, taunting the family), wouldn't Bean have to be in on it? In itself, that's cruel to the child. It also seemed
like a writing exercise: It's not easy to avoid indicating sex without repeating "Bean" each time or being clunky in the writing of a character.
Instead of personal pronouns you wind up a lot of this: "They went to Bean's room and found the child on the bed within a pile books and toys."
Reading: A Rule for Murder YAY
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Olle |
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02/20/09 11:14 AM |
Wasn't there a comment made that the family never asked each other a direct question? because that was giving them the power to lie/deceive/berate you for
not knowing something? Doesn't truly explain why they didn't ask Bean but oh well.
The more I think on that family the worse they seem to me. It would have been more believable if the parts about the Morrow parents loving their children was taken out. The one detective kept wondering why Julia's arms were open and not put up defensively. Can't recall if the book ever addressed that, did it? any thoughts?
Olle
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02/20/09 02:04 PM BCC BookieMonster |
The explanation for why her arms were outstretched didn't work for me - so her eyes were closed while she was standing there having this imaginary
embrace, did she not hear or see Pierre as he was pushing the statue over ? And wouldn't the flight/fight reflex automatically move one's arms into a
protective position? mmm
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bayjoens |
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02/20/09 07:08 PM |
I'm so glad you are all here. :) I thought the whole thing with Bean was weird too and that the child had to be complicit in it at that age.
And I think I might be alone out here, liking Peter and glad he didn't do it. I love how human he is, loving Clara so much and yet so jealously. I love how insecure and imperfect he is. In mysteries, characters are so often black or white; I love all his shades of grey. He is so envious of Clara's talent but at least he has it in him to recognize her genius as greater than his own. Sandra |
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02/26/09 01:57 AM BCC ZEN Bookie MASTER |
And I love your comments, Sandra. I hadn't thought of it that way but it's all certainly true; I like Peter much more now for having seen him through
your eyes.
Karen
I would be most content if my children grew up to be the kind of people who think decorating consists mostly of building enough bookshelves. - Anna Quindlen |
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02/26/09 07:18 PM |
Ok, I didn't read anyone else's ideas yet.
Beauvior kept saying that murderers are weak, but I didn't really see that connect with Pierre. As much as I love Penny I did not buy either the murderer or the premise. It is not logical that Pierre would kill someone who had nothing to do with his father's ruin. Also, I don't think a murdered would go ahead with a plan right in front of a cop. But, since I don't necessarily care about the who-dun-it part I will give Rule a high mark. I love the descriptions of the locations and I love the people. I do wish there had been more time spent tn Three Pines, but the new setting was also lovely. Mary |
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