I was thinking about Kindle again this weekend at my mom's- she still gets the newspaper delivered everyday. Personally, I have never been a newspaper
reader so I haven't really noticed. I recall several years ago, ok, maybe many, many years ago, people were saying that computers would be the death of
papers and books. The San Jose Mercury News is now a shadow of it's former self and I thought, well, it has come to pass hasn't it? I am wondering if
the same thing will happen to books with the Kindle. I know we talked about this before. I'm not sure it will completely replace books but I fear that it
will certainly diminish their numbers, especially as it gets more popular and cheaper (even though they say it won't get cheaper I think it will). The
recent decline of newspapers is making me reevaluate my opinion on Kindle vs books.
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06/04/09 01:52 PM |
Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it,
unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.
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06/04/09 11:30 PM BCC ZEN Bookie MASTER |
Strange thing happened at the library last weekend... I had two ILL sort of books out with accompanying paperwork that I always return directly to the desk and
have checked in (don't drop them in the book slot) and one hold to pick up. It was getting close to closing and I went to the only station open; while the
guy is checking in the two ILLs, another staff member handed him the hold that was waiting for me. Eventually he hands me the hold book, smiles, says a date (I
assumed the due date and I didn't pay much attention) and I walked out.
Well, I discovered when I checked my account online yesterday that he never actually checked that book out to me. It still says it's sitting on the hold shelf at the library and will be there until June 6. And I realized later that date he spoke when he handed me the book was June 6; he was reading it off the hold slip... Now what should I do?
Karen
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Ask our (two) resident librarians. Btw, what does ILL stand for please?
Betsy
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06/05/09 03:15 AM BCC ZEN Bookie MASTER |
ILL is inter-library loan. But apparently DPL doesn't do an actual Inter Library Loan anymore, they have a program called Prospector. Sounds like close to
the same thing to me -- if the book I want isn't available in Denver I can get it from any CARL library in the state (CARL stands for Colorado Alliance of
Research Libraries) delivered to my branch. But there's some paperwork that comes with it and if I don't return the books with the paperwork, it's
a $40 fee. I'm askeered of it falling out in the return drop box so I always move it straight from my hands to theirs and watch them check it in.
Besides, I hate those library drops. There's so much damage that can come to a book's spine and pages from just shoving it into a dark hole!
Karen
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Jim Lynch, who wrote The Highest Tide, was a new book coming out this month: Border Songs (set on the Canadian border). http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/030727117X/
Sounds similar to Highest Tide, with birds instead of sea life, but since I liked the first book, I might try it. Anyone else?
Reading: Borderlands
Finished: Losing Mum & Pup, C. Buckley; Stone's Fall by Iain Pears In the Woods by Tara French
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06/05/09 09:57 AM BCC BookieMonster |
Karen:
"Make it a rule of life never to regret and never to look back" Fortune cookie saying Rema |
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Rema, I like your signature line
"Make it a rule of life never to regret and never to look back" Fortune cookie saying But...would they say that if you get outside and realize you forgot to leave that waiter a tip???? LOLL I've done that and had to go back.
Reading: Borderlands
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Jill, I liked Highest Tide a lot and just put the request in for the new one at our library. Two copies are on order and I am #5 on the list. I will let you
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06/05/09 07:44 PM |
<<bounces like the proverbial AA Milne character>>
WOOOOOTT WOOOTTT WWOOOOTTIIIIWOOOTTT!!!! {{{No, Jenn.. tells us how you *really* feel LOL}}} Another of Burdett's Bangkok novels (Bangkok 8/Tatoo/Haunt) is coming out this fall called Bangkok Panorama Oh JOY!! |
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06/06/09 03:17 AM BCC ZEN Bookie MASTER |
Rema, thanks for the advice. Actually, it ended up being even easier to resolve than that. The DPL website has a feature called Ask Colorado (used to be called
Ask A Librarian) which is a live chat sort of thing. I typed my problem in, a librarian responded asking for my card number and the number on the back of the
book. I replied with my card number and the fact that the book was nowhere near me and by the time I clicked back over to the library site, the librarian had
resolved the issue from my hold information online and had checked the book out to me.
I should have it back well before the due date. Thanks for your suggestion. I was actually concerned that if I went into the library there would be all sorts of "issues" that they just couldn't resolve. Silly me.
Karen
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06/06/09 11:43 AM |
Betsy, I keep thinking about your Kindle and whether I want one. Yesterday I was in a bookstore and thought about how much I enjoy the feel, shape and weight
of some books. Just having them in my hands give me such a sense of pleasure. And I love some of the covers as well. I guess this is just the result of 50
years of association, isn't it? Do you miss the feel? Hmmmm....
The Bangkok books. I just read Bangkok Haunts and wasn't that crazy about it. I really enjoyed the last two but this one had too sex in it that felt unnecessary and too much of the woowoo factor to go with it. Anyone else read it? Sandra |
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06/06/09 11:59 AM BCC Zen Bookie Master
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I won't MISS books since I still will read them, just not every read will be an actual book!! It's not a starvation diet guys!! Get over that idea! A
lot of fluff or "palate cleansers" are the kind of stuff you can buy on Kindle for half the price of books and I don't feel the need to OWN
those! Those books that I cherish, for ejemplo: Michael Connelly, those I will buy and read and feel and smell in book form! Also, my quilt books and art books
and all those others that you must have in your hand...those will be books. I will, however, have far fewer books in the garage waiting to go into the yard
sale at the end of the year.
Betsy
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Curt and I listened to an audio blog on Kindle and the author of it is Tonia Engst, whose business, with her dh, is electronic tech books having to do with
Macs; in business for 8 yrs. She said that fully 20% of all tech books are shredded when not purchased and that number may be the same for the remainders
industry-wide, although she didn't mention those. This is generally what happens to all unsold books; the covers are removed and the rest go in the
shredder so those trees may have died in vain!
Another area that is being investigated for Kindle's use are the college text books. One suggestion is that students be issued Kindles instead of having to buy megabucks-worth of texts. It could be a big saving for the students. It's not so far-fetched since one new high school near us has issued Apple computers to the students for their homework and general studies so this is in the same vein of thought.
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06/06/09 09:04 PM BCC BookieMonster |
I can even borrow library books with my sony e-reader. It is pretty funny when I go over the time limit and the book poofs..."You are no longer
authorized" I would say it saves a trip to the library but I'm there every day because dd doesn't have her driver's license yet. I love that I
can carry 50 books in the space of one but I still buy the ones I loved in hardcover. Nothing can replace a "real" book.
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Betsy, a couple of the dd's friends at college already use the Kindle for some of their textbooks. So far, though, they can only use them for literature
and some social sciences. Because of the lack of color illustrations, the Kindle doesn't work for the most expensive books yet, the science texts.
A couple of the private hs here already issue computers to their students. Of course, the cost is absorbed in the tuition but I think the students have the option of purchasing the computers or returning them after a couple of years or when they are done at the school. Deb, our library has started doing audio downloads that "expire" as well and they might be doing the electronic books too, but the selection is pretty limited so far and they don't have Kindle-compatible books yet. Yes, for most of us, nothing can replace a "real" book but I wonder if it will be like that for our kids or grandkids. I think that much of my sensual appreciation for a physical book comes from so many hours of pleasure associated with them. For our kids, they might feel similarly about a screen someday. Sandra |
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I don't have a Kindle, but I do have an iPod Touch, which has become a new best buddy, especially when I'm on the road. Yesterday I downloaded an
application for 99 cents that has 40 classic novels loaded on it. I took a chance and was amazed. The books have easy to read pages, nice covers, and when I
quit reading a "bookmark" holds my place until I return. Right now I'm flying through The Wizard of Oz, sometime I've never actually
read before. I think it is called Classics2Go. I'll never be stuck without something to read again, as far as I can tell.
I'm enjoying this Kindle conversation. Sherry
Sherry in WI Currently reading: The Saffron Kitchen and The Worst Hard Time
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The new Kindle is built for newspapers and magazines too. (No, I do not have one, and don't feel the need for one -- yet.) But I have a question for Betsy:
You mentioned you can get loads of "mind candy" at half the price of printed books. Are there books that Amazon now offers that are published ONLY on
Kindle access?
kathy
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Not as far as I know, Kathy but the thing on their pricing is that the latest books out and the best sellers are all higher priced (of course) than those which
have been out for a while. I just finished Plum Spooky which is total mind candy and that costs $9.99 in Kindle, $15.93 in hardcover (not available yet in
ppbk). There is a collection for Kindle which, for free, contains Romeo and Juliet, Wuthering Heights, 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, Siddhartha, The Golden
Bough and The Fall of the House of Usher. That collection is considered one book and is free. Many older books run around $6 or $7 or so. I can't find any
right now but I *think* that's what they are. I started out doing what Sherry is doing and using my iPhone (same as her iPod Touch only with the phone app)
for Kindle books. That's why the "Plum Spooky" ended up on the Kindle; it started on my iPhone and then I transferred it to the Kindle when I got
it.
So, no I don't believe that Kindle has proprietary/exclusive rts to any books so far.
Betsy
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06/09/09 08:55 AM |
It was on this day in 1909 that the first woman to drive across the United States, Alice Huyler Ramsey, left New York City for San Francisco. She was 22 years
old, a housewife from Hackensack, New Jersey.
Her trip got a lot of media attention. In 1909, not many women drove cars, and some doctors thought that it was dangerous for women to even ride in cars because they would get too worked up at more than 20 miles an hour. Alice Huyler Ramsey drove 3,800 miles across the country in a Maxwell 30 with three other women, but she was the only one who knew how to drive. They drove for 41 days and used 11 spare tires. She wrote a book about the trip called Veil, Duster, and Tire Iron (1961). Anyone going to read it? :)
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Er no LOL...did they make the trip just to do the drive or was there a reason to go? Bet they took a train back LOL I weakened and requested an ARC from LT,
and just found out I will get it! David Liss's new book The Devil's Company, featuring the same lead character, whose name I've forgotten already.
Benjamin something? HIding blushing face, I also clicked for the ARC for The Case of the MIssing Servant, with Delhi's ingenious, hilarious (their praise)
PI Vish Puri. Sorry Karen, I failed to resist.
Reading: Chinese Whispers, Peter May; Secret Scripture
Finished: The Scarecrow, Connelly
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