I really like these people a lot--what's not to like, right?
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BCCJillster |
A Town Like Alice SPOILERS*** Nov 2009 |
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Well, I'm not done but I am enjoying the somewhat shocking twists and turns. Was this based on a true story at all? There's an Author's Notes
afterword but I don't want to read it til I finish.
I really like these people a lot--what's not to like, right?
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someonegetchristine |
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It doesn't appear to be based on a true story- there is some explanation on Wikipedia - quickly scroll past the plot summary to the section on Historical
Accuracy, it gives an overview without spoiling anything.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Town_Like_Alice
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BCCJillster |
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Up front, I'm reacting to this book as though the story were true, even though I know it's based on bits and pieces of reality and distortion. And I
know there are flaws in the way it was written through the eyes of Noel Strachan, because we were privy to thoughts of hers that Jean would not have put in a
letter (like some of the scenes on Green Island). But I really did like these characters and was inspired by Jean's ingenuity and strength.
The third that's set in Australia was very reminiscent of the 1920s in East Africa, with the challenges of terrain and having to improvise. It was wonderful the way she melded her idea with the need to find a place for herself in Australia if she was going to make a life with Joe, even before they got back together. I know I know it's all a bit too good to be true, but it's kind of the opposite of 'for want of a nail ..." isn't it? One little thing led to another and boom, a Town Like Alice. I was stunned during the part in Malaya at what happened to Joe--I was really not expecting that nor had I heard of that horror. It was all the more powerful because it was told as a matter of fact, complete, over, he died. So when we found out he had survived, I was equally surprised. I hadn't read the summaries in advance (whew) and I thought her Australia connection was going to be payback for his kindness and sacrifice as had her building of the well in Malaya. It also helped that the Japanese guards weren't merely painted as monsters and that a few of them helped the women and were caught in their own predicament over the prisoners. The Gift of the Magi twist of Joe going to England as Jean went to Australia was delightful, as was Strachan's affection for Jean. Near the end, I was worried that Joe was going to perish and Jean would have to go it alone, so I was relieved that Shute didn't use that device. All in all, I was very pleasantly surprised by how easy it was to enjoy this book.
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I really enjoyed the first part of the book. When Joe was murdered it blew me away. My daughter said, "Oh, later in the book you'll find out that he
didn't really die. That's what all these books do." I argued fiercely with her. No, he's dead! Then I had to tell my 17 year old that she was
right... I love that Shute could convince me so completely. Then Jean went to Australia. Joe was in England. The lawyer kept that info to himself; I was so
angry at him! Then I got pissy over the huge amounts of conversation the lawyer was able to relate. I know, I know, it doesn't take much for me sometimes!
When I found myself putting the book aside to read children's books I figured I wasn't going to finish so I took it back to the library. I did read the
ending because I did cared enough to want Jean and Joe to be happy. After Jill's report I do wish I had perservered.
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BCCJillster |
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Deb, I'm not sure where you stopped, but the part after Jean and Joe got together was mostly about the outback and how Jean had an idea for making
Willstown (is that the right name?) a place both men and women would want to live in. She built a small factory to take advantage of the local availability of
alligator skins at low prices to make shoes like those her boss sells in London. In the process she attracted women to work there, which in turn attracted men
to come to town and work on the stations. She opened an ice cream parlor next door, which provided more jobs and a gathering place where women could go too,
and then kept building onto the town until it became "a town like Alice"
Mixed in was a dangerous bush rescue of one of the station managers in which both Joe and Jean figured heroically, along with a bush radio network. Oh and Noel was able to go visit them--you probably read that part. I think that sort of covers it.
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bayjoens |
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Alright, I am more than 2/3 through and enjoying it but I was taken aback by the happenings on Green Island. Here she was, wondering why he didn't kiss her
and then when he did, all that happened was that "She stood unresisting in his arms; it never entered her head to struggle or to get away."
"Standing in his arms still unresisting, smothered by his kisses, she thought, This is it. And then she thought, It had to happen sometimes, and I'm
glad it's Joe." Egads, woman! Where's the passion? And the next day day, "she discovered a number of bruises on her person, and reflected on
the narrowness of her escape from a fate worse than death." All she had been through, and a fate worse than death was being deflowered by the man she
loved? Oh yeah! I'd rather die from cholera or dysentery any day.
This is where my 2009 sensibilities get in the way, I know. It was the same when my girlfriends and I saw All's Well that Ends Well last week. At the end, the girl gets the boy she loves, but all we 50+yeY-«old women could think was, "So why do you want the louse anyway? Forget him!" Sandra Just found something funny: "I said I used a D.D.T. spray and I didn't get flies in my workshop and I wasn't going to have them in my bank." Oh no! :) |
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BCCJillster |
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When you take those comments in isolation it is pretty bizarre, isn't it? I noticed the one about the bruises and fate worse than death and thought
"huh?" did I skip a page? But then again, she was still a virgin after all she'd been through and wanted to wait til they were married. She
probably thought she was being shameless in even thinking about wanting him to make a move on the island.
I laughed at the DDT bit too; little did they know...
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wernoclue |
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Yes, I was struck by the bruises and the fate worse than death part, too, but we have to remember this was written by a man in 1950 who probably had the same
moralistic attitudes described of the people in Willstown where it was shameful for a woman to go into a bar! Much different than today -- I'm betting even
in Australia it's not that restrictive anymore! I love the way you put it, Sandra: "Oh yeah! I'd rather die from cholera or dysentery any
day."
BTW, she must bruise pretty easily, or is that another problem with a man of that age and time (the author) thinking that women are delicate little flowers? Or do I just not bruise easily? Noted the DDT, too. Like Jill says, little did they know... But, again, at the time it was considered a boon. And I thoroughly understand Deb's anger at the lawyer for keeping such important information to himself -- I was angry, too! But it was so clear he was a little bit in love with her himself. I really, thoroughly enjoyed this book. I think I liked the first half best, during the war, and actually got a little bogged down at the heroic bush rescue bit, but that may have been because I've had zero reading time this week and read most of the last half in one sitting tonight. But I loved the way the town just grew and grew with Jean's enterprises and became the sort of town she could be happy in. A delight and I don't care if it's unrealistic. Off to read Chris's links about historical accuracy.
Karen
Don't know what I'm currently reading... between books for a minute.
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Picked up from the Wiki article: Time magazine didn't have much good to say about the book when it was published in 1950 -- and please note the price of
the book!
Books: Too Good to Be True
Karen
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Karen, I agree with you that the best part was definitely the first half about her relationships with the other women and how they managed to survive. I
actually skimmed through much of the bush rescue part. Still, I'm glad I read it and I enjoyed it.
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someonegetchristine |
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I enjoyed this book too. Toward the end I had a similar feeling that something dreadful was going to happen to either Joe or Jean. The section with the air rescue and storm damage was brilliantly written and full of suspense. I thought that it was highly unlikely that Joe would have survived a crucifixion, realistically I suppose he wouldn't have survived, but somehow the
author made it all seem believable.
Noel found it hard to let go of Jean, he had grown very fond of her - when he said at the end of the book that
he was '40 years too late', he was saying that he really loved her, maybe it was this fact that made him decide not to accept their offer to stay
permanently.
I was astounded at the racism, the separate areas for the indigenous people to buy their sodas etc. I wonder when those rules were changed, I'm off to do some research on this. There's sure to be consensus on the motorway plans. Yeah, right.
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beachgal |
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Even though I am somewhat familar with the story since I saw the miniseries, I am enjoying reading the novel. About the crucifixion, Shute met a man who had
survived being crucified by the Japanese, unlikely but true and used that in his novel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringer_Edwards. Rema
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BCCJillster |
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The crucifixion came as such a surprise and was so unbearable to think about that by the time we found out he survived I was shocked but relieved enough to
accept it.
It's also hard to read about the racism and male chauvinism that Australia is so famous for. I imaging that, like anything else, it's not fair to overgeneralize attitudes, but given the decades and discrimination, it's hard not to. There's an article I was reading earlier on the chauvinism aspect--not sure what conclusion to draw from it: http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2008/aug/20/women.australia There's so much to like about fun-loving Australians, but there is that other side. I think you all are right about Nevil Shute being a bit captive to his times as well. Given that, he was pretty generous in making Jean so strong and successful, if a bit two-dimensional. I really enjoyed the book and look forward to discussing it.
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Yes, absolutely, we have to give the author some credit for allowing Jean a bit of the entrepreneurial spirit however I bet there was quite a bit of that among
the women of the Australian Outback just as there was among women in the Western United States in the developing years. (Not that there isn't now,
understand, but it would have at least seemed more unusual then because women's roles were more rigidly defined.)
Another moment when he showed his utter maleness was early on when Noel told Jean about her inheritance and her uncle's conviction that an unmarried woman wasn't capable of managing her own money even at age 25. Jean laughed and agreed with him! Honestly, even in 1948 I believe that most women --particularly one who had led Jean's life -- wouldn't have truly agreed with that statement. Although they might have appeared to 'grin and bear it' I suspect the grin would have been a bit forced, don't you? Rema, the man Ringer Edwards was mentioned as the inspiration for Joe in the article Chris linked, too. Crucifixion was a common punishment way back when but I didn't realize the Japanese were still using it in the 20th century.
Karen
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BCCJillster |
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Even when Jean was younger, she was depicted as having an internal strength that was truly admirable--her time in Malaya and among the prisoners. She was
fairly intrepid, to me, in traveling back as she did; even though by now she was backed by the security of money, there was no security in her travels. World
travel on the spur of the moment, as in her trip to Australia from Malaya was pretty impressive too.
I liked that Shute didn't depict her as doing it out of desperation but rather that she was a practical, determined, compassionate young woman when captured. Hmmm, a little too perfect, eh? Oh well, I guess only the men were allowed the character flaws. (Like stealing each others cattle)
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wernoclue |
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Poddy dodging, eh? LOL That made me laugh and is still a phrase I treasure.
Karen
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someonegetchristine |
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lol loved that term, poddy-dodging, bonza saying !
There's sure to be consensus on the motorway plans. Yeah, right.
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BCCJillster |
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Rethinking this book before the chat, one of the ideas that jumped out was
People who spent the war in prison camps have written a lot of books That got me thinking about how true it is; only a few I can think of are about surviving on one's own while the war rages about you. It never occurred to me to think of a prison camp as a survival mechanism! Of course, we're not talking about the concentration camps, which were a whole other thing. The terror of being in hiding is the theme that's most familiar outside a camp--like The Diary of Anne Frank or the nightmarish experiences in The Pianist (played by Adrian Brody in that haunting movie). PBS depicted an incident from WWII where a group of American fliers landed unintentionally in Borneo (called Secrets of the Dead: The Airmen and the Headhunters) and met up with a tribe of headhunters, literally. Surprisingly, the tribe protected and hid the airmen, moving them about through the jungles to keep one step ahead of the Japanese patrols specifically hunting the airmen. The tribes hated the Japanese so much for occupying their jungles, they went to extreme lengths to protect them for quite a long time. Anyway, you can see it got me thinking.
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I agree with some of you that the writing was dated, for example, a fate worse than death, her agreeing that she wasn't up to dealing with all that money,
etc. She was such an wonderful businesswoman in the end, it is strange that she only had a typist position in London.
About the long ride on a horse, it happened to us once when we were in Glacier National Park. We took a trip up the mtountain to Sperry chalet and then discovered that it was very very cold up there with not enough heat in the Chalet, so instead of spending the night, we rode back on the horses after a brief rest, a total of 13 miles. It was very difficult to get off our horses and stand up. Ahem. We also had blisters. I'm glad I read it again. Rema
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